Top Honor for Valor to 19 Year old

DarkWatch, Keep on keeping on man, our hearts are with you.

FIB is a do-nothing whiner that's totally off the deep end and should be confined to a mental institution.....

He might be a nut house resident for all I know.

I'm active duty military and don't feel like I've been given the shaft at all... neither do my brothers and sisters that I've deployed with.

I was glad to hear that we had record poppy sales this year. First time I've seen boxes empty. Glad to see the majority of decent civilised people in this country wearing poppies too. Shame about the gutless left wingers who have to keep knocking our heroes efforts with cheap attempts at political propaganda.

Popatopagain: If you have truly and actually READ http://www.truthout.org/article/william-rivers-pitt-without-honor and you still proclaim it to be "tired gone over crap", you obviously agree with Bushit regarding his constantly giving vets, active duty personnel and their families the shaft. http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/83742/?page=entire "Half of Vets Suffering Brain and Mind Injuries Go Untreated, But Pentagon Pretends Nothing's Going on"

http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/72093/?page=entire "Activist Tells Congress About Suicide Epidemic Among Vets"

http://www.awolbush.com/ "George W. Bush - AWOL from Supporting our Troops"

Joining with the WarCriminal-in-Chief and his chickenhawks in constantly dishonoring all service people and their families, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Popatopagain: I've been here for quite a while, so how can I be coming Baaaaaack? Also, to what "5 year old url" are you referring, especially in view of your claims that you don't read anything at a URL?

As for http://www.truthout.org/article/william-rivers-pitt-without-honor you obviously did not read this. Pitt's article, written for Veterans Day, points out facts that you warmongers still try to deny: Basically, Bushit cares nothing about the people he uses as human sacrifices to benefit himself and his Big Oil pals.

Several examples of The Deserter's policies against veterans and active duty personnel and their families are listed in Pitt's Veterans Day article, beginning with the Chickenhawk-in-Chief's many attempts to hide the results of his war to steal Iraq's oil; one of the ways the Crawford Coward has chosen to hide his victims is to not allow any pictures of the dead arriving home. Another method the Unelected Fraud has chosen to hide American casualties is his No Funerals policy. Even Nixon and Reagan attended funerals for those killed by war. Number of funerals attended by Bushit: 0

The letter by your Transition President For Free American Forces Everywhere is unbelievable. Even worse is the "Note by Peter Meyer".

It seems that they both got their dandruff up by another article by Williams River Pitt, http://www.truthout.org/article/nine-eleven For some reason, Meyer and your Transition President don't like Pitt nor his article because he points out the campaign of terror whipped up by the War Criminals in the White House to get away--or so they thought--with such things as shredding the Constitution, making torture acceptable and one of their policies, and launching a completely unjustifiable and illegal war against two countries that have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with 9/11. As Pitt points out, we need to shed that fear and terror so that we can start rebuilding all that Bushit has destroyed.

http://www.truthout.org/article/william-rivers-pitt-without-honor "Few American citizens are aware of this, because the Bush administration has made it policy to deliberately hide these honored dead from the media. No cameras are allowed inside the Dover, DE facility that receives the ruined bodies of our troops. . . .

"No cameras are allowed inside Walter Reed Army Medical Center . . . nor are cameras allowed inside the facility at Ft. Stewart in Georgia . . . .

"No Bush official has been to a single funeral for any of the fallen, because that would bring unwanted publicity onto the ruinous casualties we have suffered. . . .

"Veteran's Day is upon us. A just world would see a long parade of veterans wending its way past the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial, past the Korean War Memorial, past every statue and plaque commemorating the service, and that full measure of devotion, given to this nation by men and women beyond number. In a just world, the parade would halt on the ground that, someday, will bear the names of the men and women who have died, and will die, in this Iraq war. In a just world, George W. Bush would be required to stand upon this ground and be spat upon by every person in that long, proud parade.

"In a just world, Bush would be made to visit the home of every American family who has had a beloved brother, sister, mother, father, husband or wife delivered to them in secret inside a 'transfer tube.' In a just world, he would be made to explain his lies, and further be made to apologize for using the wretched memory of September 11 against the American people in a process of criminal deception that got an incredible number of people killed.

"Then again, a just world would have left George W. Bush in the dustbin of history as a thrice-failed oilman who lacked even the courage to complete his stint in the National Guard while better men went off to war in Vietnam to die in his place."

zeus: When attacked, always sacrifice the "duty receptionist".

Let's take a look at what has been done to THE war hero, and is still being done to his family.

"The Ballad of Pat Tillman" http://www.metroactive.com/metro/05.23.07/pat-tillman-0721.html "Rep. Henry Waxman (D–Los Angeles), chair of the Congressional Oversight committee, said at the hearing: 'The bare minimum we owe our soldiers and their families is the truth. That didn't happen for the two most famous soldiers in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. For Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman, the government violated its most basic responsibility. Sensational details and stories were invented in both cases.'"

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/86444/?page=entire "'They Used Pat for Public Consumption, Just Like Jessica Lynch': An Interview with Mary Tillman"

http://www.alternet.org/audits/93473/?page=entire "Afghanistan: The Other Illegal War"

http://www.truthout.org/article/dave-zirin-pat-tillman-this-war-is-so-fing-illegal "Tillman's transition from one-dimensional caricature to critically thinking human being is a long time coming. The fact is that in death he was far more useful to the armchair warriors than he had ever been in life. When the Pro Bowler joined the Army Rangers, the Pentagon brass needed a loofah to wipe their drool: He was white, handsome and played in the NFL. For a chicken-hawk Administration led by a President who loves the affectations of machismo but runs from protesting military moms, this testosterone cocktail was impossible to resist. The problem was that Tillman wouldn't play their game. To the Pentagon's chagrin, he turned down numerous offers to be its recruitment poster child."

Hero this guy, but look what's happened to one of our war heroes;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7598523.stm

And yes, all servicing troops are our heroes. I'd like to know what caused the 'mistake' to not allow a serviceman to stay at the hotel.

USShulkbuster [don't make me angry, you won't like me when I'm angry!]: Actually, fizzy, that Bushit and his gang of war criminals/profiteers did a major job of taking full advantage of the fear from 9/11 and using it to launch his completely unjustifiable and illegal war against two countries that have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with 9/11, has been known for several years. Have you bin hiding in a cave?

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/whycare.html "Why Care? Reasons why this matters"

http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ "Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq."

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63632/?page=entire "The Mega-Lie Called the 'War on Terror': A Masterpiece of Propaganda"

It's no surprise at all that you see using terror and lies to launch completely unjustifiable and illegal wars as being admirable.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/91773/?page=entire "The Dark Side: Jane Mayer on How the War on Terror Turned into a War on American Ideals"

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/waroniraq/91729/ "WTF? Newsweek Says We Should Pardon Officials Who Sanctioned Torture"

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080804/brecher_smith "Nine Reasons to Investigate War Crimes Now"

http://www.alternet.org/rights/91340/?page=entire "Worries About War Crimes Heat up in the White House"

There is, of course, a huge amount of factual information for you to refuse to read, but these will do for a start.

FIB, ("President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.")

Thank you for bringing that to our attention.

It's absolutely phenomenal that eight people could win the war of wits over 535 well-educated and experienced members of Congress.

This degree of brilliance certainly does deserve recognition and our full appreciation of their efforts…..

USShulkbuster [don't make me angry, you won't like me when I'm angry!]: Your question is very easy to answer: When General Betrayus is out of uniform, he's naked.

Yes, I deal only in facts, which is why I don't side step any facts, including the fact that NONCOMBATANTS ARE CIVILIANS. Apparently, the desperation of you warmongers is such that you feel it necessary to EXPAND your lies, which is never a surprise.

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=88 "January 2008 - Update on Iraqi Casualty Data"

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/74263/?page=entire "Right-Wingers Can't Cover Up Iraq's Death Toll Catastrophe"

http://www.alternet.org/rights/91340/?page=entire "Worries About War Crimes Heat up in the White House"

And here's additional information for you to ignore:

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/whycare.html "Why Care? Reasons why this matters"

http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ "Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq."

http://www.alternet.org/audits/93473/?page=entire "Afghanistan: The Other Illegal War"

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63632/?page=entire "The Mega-Lie Called the 'War on Terror': A Masterpiece of Propaganda"

FromInsanityandBelow, Speaking of the importance of paying attention to the FACTS........

You claim to only deal in facts, but there is one overwhelming fact that you continue to side step every time you post the number of Iraqi civilian war causalities, that include radical Muslims from all over the Middle East.

In both Afghanistan and Iraq, all of the terrorists elements, the armed enemies of peace, Al Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, Mujahidin, Abu Nidal, Taliban, in fact all Sunni Islamist, by your definition, ARE ALL CIVILIANS.

Answer just one question; is General David Petraeus a civilian when he is out of uniform?

Popatopagain and Republifacist: Yet again, NO FACTUAL INFORMATION is presented by you. Never a surprise.

You Republifascists really should get a medical exam as soon as possible; you obviously have great difficulty remembering things. In this case, yet again, you have forgotten that FACTS are what count, not mere opinions nor mere beliefs. And you have provided yet another example PROVING this to be so: The lying con-servative [as if there's any other kind] makes the claim that I hate America; I request that he provide SPECIFIC PROOF for his claim; the lying con-servative responds, instead, with, "You'd never say you hate America, you're too clever by half. Lastly, I don't need to 'prove' anything to you, you do not impress me." In other words, the lying con-servative is UNABLE to honestly support yet another empty claim; being completely unable to say anything truthful, you provide only yet another mere opinion. Pathetic.

Like it or not, the Chickenhawk-in-Chief and his gang of war criminals/profiteers are NOT America. The war Bushit launched with lies against two countries that have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with 9/11 is completely unjustifiable and illegal. The Crawford Coward has so much blood on his hands--a neverending river of blood flowing from Iraqis, Afghanis, Americans and ALL others for whom he is responsible for murdering--he will never be able to wash it off.

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/whycare.html "Why Care? Reasons why this matters"

http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ "Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq."

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63632/?page=entire "The Mega-Lie Called the 'War on Terror': A Masterpiece of Propaganda"

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/84114/?page=entire "Our Media Have Been So Wrong for So Long"

Deal with it.

Popatopagain: Fizzy, you have most certainly not offered any FACTUAL information to support any of the standard empty claims made constantly by you Republifascists. Instead, all that any of you ever do--if any of you respond at all--is to produce nothing but the hate-filled OPINIONS of Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, etc. Never any HONEST attempts to support any of your numerous empty claims. Indeed, the statements made by you and the others always PROVE that none of you makes any effort to actually READ any of the factual information that you warmongers constantly attack. Mere opinions and mere beliefs do not constitute PROOF for any of your empty claims. If you could prove your empty claims, you would do so without hesitation; you don't because you can't. Never a surprise.

Speaking of your numerous empty claims, and your complete inability to HONESTLY support any of your claims, where EXACTLY and SPECIFICALLY do I declare that I hate America, you lying son of a bitch?

And you don't even know what "partisan" means.

"How Bush Took Us to the Dark Side" http://www.alternet.org/story/72365/?page=entire "There are dire consequences that Americans will have to face now that torture and imprisonment of innocent people is everyday government practice."

"Bush Administration Putting Immunity For Blackwater Over The Lives Of Our Troops" http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/94426/ "Selling out the Constitution to give telecoms immunity is bad enough. Selling out the troops to give Blackwater immunity is a whole new level of sickening."

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/53827/page=entire "Who Killed Pat Tillman?"

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/91457/?page=entire "The Wedding Crashers: U.S. Jets Have Bombed Five Ceremonies in Afghanistan"

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63632/?page=entire "The Mega-Lie Called the 'War on Terror': A Masterpiece of Propaganda"

Deal with it.

Popatopagain: Let's see, fizzy, you are becoming increasingly incoherent, so I have no idea what your "comment" means. One thing that is always clear is that you have yet again FAILED to provide PROOF that would support any of your numerous empty claims. Never a surprise.

"Bush Administration Putting Immunity For Blackwater Over The Lives Of Our Troops" http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/94426/ "Selling out the Constitution to give telecoms immunity is bad enough. Selling out the troops to give Blackwater immunity is a whole new level of sickening."

Popatopagain: Well, no surprise whatsoever that you have made yet another empty claim. PRECISELY who or what is a "typical 'blame America firster'"? Also, is it, or is it not, yet another weak attempt at yet another lame insult?

Or, is the phrase intended to be one that damns with faint praise?

You claim that you "refuse to see nothing", even as you continue to see nothing at all. You are a typical Republifascist who desperately tries to ignore the fact that FACTS are far more important than mere opinions, especially such facts as those which PROVE Bushit's war in the Middle East is completely unjustifiable and illegal.

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/whycare.html "Why Care? Reasons why this matters"

"How Bush Took Us to the Dark Side" http://www.alternet.org/story/72365/?page=entire "There are dire consequences that Americans will have to face now that torture and imprisonment of innocent people is everyday government practice."

http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2007/03/05.html "AMERICA'S WORST CRIME / UNSEEN DEATH TOLL OF IRAQI CHILDREN"

http://www.alternet.org/audits/93756/ "U.S. Tries but Fails to Scuttle Cluster Bomb Treaty"

Current number of Iraqi civilians murdered by the Crawford Coward: 1,251,944

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/

Popatopagain: Yes, I have most definitely answered your response question; which is not YOUR answer to your question. You still refuse to see it because it does not match any of your templates [for example, your answer to your question, which you have repeated ad nauseam without, of course, making any effort to PROVE your additional empty claim], nor does it match your desperate desire to ignore the fact that FACTS are far more important than mere opinions--as you have yet again demonstrated--and that will always be your problem, not mine.

Batman? You got a problem wit' th' Bat? Obviously, "Batman's Take on 9/11 Era Politics? Drop the Fearmongering" http://www.alternet.org/movies/92385/?page=entire is yet another article that you have not bothered to actually READ. Never a surprise. "'The Dark Knight' warns against what happens when a society abandons its principles out of fear."

zeus: About PRECISELY what "people" are you referring? Or do you still like to think that the only people here are you warmongers and a smaller number of those who are anti-war?

The only way that any of my statements can "appear to be the obsessive rants of someone who hates the west" is when you Republifascists go out of your way to make it seem as if all anti-Bushit comments are anti-American comments. The Crawford Coward is NOT America, he is a blood-soaked war criminal infesting the Stained House along with his chickenhawk gang of war criminals/profiteers.

If anyone here is anti-American, it is you warmongers. You have repeatedly made it clear that you see nothing wrong about the crimes, war crimes and other atrocities which they commit. You cheer and joke when mention is made of the civilians murdered by the Chickenhawk-in-Chief. You approve of his efforts to continue shredding what's left of the Constitution; you approve of his deliberate violations of international law; you approve of the use of torture; you approve of all efforts made to destroy everything for which this country once stood.

There has never been any ambiguity--except for that which you warmongers constantly, and unsuccessfully, try to manufacture--as to where I stand.

Deal with it.

Popatopagain: You pathetic and disgusting warmonger, I have already answered your question. You refuse to see it because it does not match any of your templates [for example, your answer to your question, which you have repeated ad nauseam without, of course, making any effort to PROVE your additional empty claim], nor does it match your desperate desire to ignore the fact that FACTS are far more important than mere opinions; and that is your problem, not mine.

"Batman's Take on 9/11 Era Politics? Drop the Fearmongering" http://www.alternet.org/movies/92385/?page=entire "'The Dark Knight' warns against what happens when a society abandons its principles out of fear."

"Taking Stock of the War on Terror: A Defeat Only American Power Could Have Brought About" http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174910/ "In September 2001, the United States faced a grave threat. The attacks that have become synonymous with that date were unprecedented in their destructiveness, in their lethality, in the pure apocalyptic shock of their spectacle. But in their aftermath, American policymakers, partly through ideological blindness and preening exaggeration of American power, partly through blindness brought about by political opportunism, made decisions that led to a defeat only their own actions -- that only American power itself -- could have brought about."

Deal with it.

Thats what I've been saying to you FIB. People don't think you're anti war, people think you're anti west!! Thats how you come across. Your comments appear to be the obsessive rants of someone who hates the west! You never answered my question about whether Israel has a right to exist either!

Popatopagain: Dud, I've lost count of the number of times that I have told you and the other Republifascists here that I care nothing for mere opinions nor mere beliefs. For some of the many reasons why, all you need do is read your entries and the entries of other warmongers. I deal in FACTS; calling a FACT a mere opinion does not change the FACTS.

Much as you desperately want it to be otherwise, the FACTS remain that neither Afghanistan NOR Iraq attacked us! The 9/11 attackers and their money came from SAUDI ARABIA and PAKISTAN.

By the way, I hold all warmongers in contempt because you constantly ignore the FACTS; people who ignore the FACTS are idiots.

Also, you're "tired of dueling urls" because you cannot cite even one of your URLs which says anything TRUTHFUL about the ever-increasing numbers of crimes, war crimes and other atrocities being committed by Bushit and his chickenhawk gang of war criminals/profiteers. All of the FACTS prove you wrong, and you can't handle the TRUTH. Isn't that too bad!

You, like all of the other warmongers, keep going out of your way to demonstrate how much you hate the truth. With that in mind, I seriously hope that you choke on this. http://www.alternet.org/audits/93473/?page=entire "Afghanistan: The Other Illegal War"

http://www.alternet.org/rights/91773/?page=entire "The Dark Side: Jane Mayer on How the War on Terror Turned into a War on American Ideals"

Popatopagain: Actually, the dark and scary place is where you are. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/themix/27935/ "Right-wing night sweats."

My claim about you remains true; you still have made no effort to PROVE your empty claims. Every time I ask you to produce such proof, you do the typical Republifascist song and dance. You did do a new one on me, "I'm not going to do your homework for you, especially since you also refuse to read ANY of the information proving the war in Afghanistan was legal and justified." In that one sentence, you yet again refused to present any HONEST support for any of your empty claims, and then repeated some of your standard empty claims.

The "information" you mention doesn't exist, because Bushit's war is completely unjustifiable and illegal.

The "usual suspects" I site and quote write FACTUAL information about the evils of the Crawford Coward's illegal war. Your pathetic "sources", on the other hand, constantly regurgitate statements that have long ago been discredited and proven to be lies. Thus, when you repeat the false statements they constantly repeat, you are not presenting anything that will prove anything you say.

If you're still talking about Afghanistan, I most certainly have answered your question. You refuse to see it because you still worship Mr. 27%.

As for who hates the USA, it's so obvious that you worshippers of Bushianity hate this country so much, you don't see anything at all bad about what the Crawford Coward and his chickenhawk gang of war criminals/profiteers have done, and are still doing, to the Middle East, the US, the Constitution, the Geneva Conventions, the U.N. Charter, etc. You even condone and support such war crimes as torture. All of you con-servatives have been real busy at destroying everything for which this country once stood.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174876/how_bush_took_us_to_the_dark_side "The Bush Legacy (Take One)"

Popatopagain: How can I read information that doesn't exist? Bushit's invading Afghanistan is completely unjustifiable and, thus, illegal. http://www.truthout.org/article/end-occupation-iraq-and-afghanistan "The UN Charter provides that all member states must settle their international disputes by peaceful means, and no nation can use military force except in self-defense or when authorized by the Security Council. After the 9/11 attacks, the Council passed two resolutions, neither of which authorized the use of military force in Afghanistan. . . . The invasion of Afghanistan was not legitimate self-defense under article 51 of the Charter because the attacks on 9/11 were criminal attacks, not 'armed attacks' by another country. Afghanistan did not attack the United States. In fact, 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. . . . Bush's justification for attacking Afghanistan was that it was harboring Osama bin Laden and training terrorists. Iranians could have made the same argument to attack the United States after they overthrew the vicious Shah Reza Pahlavi in 1979 and he was given safe haven in the United States. The people in Latin American countries, whose dictators were trained in torture techniques at the School of the Americas, could likewise have attacked the torture training facility in Ft. Benning, Georgia, under that specious rationale."

In view of the FACT that Afghanistan did NOT attack us, I have, indeed, answered your question regarding a proper response; you refuse to see it, however, because you're still desperately holding on to the words of Mr. 27%; the most hated and untrustworthy president in US history. http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63632/?page=entire "The Mega-Lie Called the 'War on Terror': A Masterpiece of Propaganda"

"I read ALL the downing st. memo years ago, just the part you keep highlighting" That is a self-contradiction, which confirms that you have NOT read ALL of the information at http://www.downingstreetmemo.com

Popatopagain: OK, you are yet again claiming that the truth is lies. PROVE your claim regarding the number of Democrats in the Senate and the House of Representatives who "supported the war in Afghanistan" BEFORE they found out that the Chickenhawk-in-Chief was spewing forth lies?

PROVE your claim regarding the Taliban's offers to surrender Osama bin Laden, the offers which Bushit ignored.

You warmongers really love claiming that "Iraq was about Saddam's wmd , all the world thought he had 'em." PROVE that "all the world thought he had 'em" BEFORE the Crawford Coward told them it was so.

http://www.truthout.org/article/end-occupation-iraq-and-afghanistan "The invasion of Afghanistan was not legitimate self-defense under article 51 of the [U.N.] Charter because the attacks on 9/11 were criminal attacks, not 'armed attacks' by another country. Afghanistan did not attack the United States. In fact, 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, there was not an imminent threat of an armed attack on the United States after 9/11 or Bush would not have waited three weeks before initiating his October 2001 bombing campaign. The necessity for self-defense must be 'instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation.' This classic principle of self-defense in international law has been affirmed by the Nuremberg Tribunal and the UN General Assembly."

Yes, fizz, all of Bushit's claims regarding Saddam's WMD remain lies. NO WMD. NO ties to al-Qaida. Saddam had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11.

I have answered your response question. Why do you continually quote only one paragraph from http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html ? Why are you afraid to read any other information from all of http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/ ?

http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=93581 "ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH"

Popatopagain: You are one of way too many people who illustrate why I know that FACTS are far more important than mere opinions and mere beliefs. For example, there's your statement of mere opinion that Afghanistan "harbored the people who attacked us on 11sep". I can't tell if you Republifascists are stupid or morons.

Afghanistan did not harbor the 9/11 attackers, in view of the FACT that the attackers and their money came from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. All by itself, this shows why the Crawford Coward's attack against the people of Afghanistan remains unjustifiable and illegal. "The Mega-Lie Called the 'War on Terror': A Masterpiece of Propaganda" http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63632/?page=entire "Within hours of the attacks, President Bush declared the United States '… would take the fight directly to the terrorists,' and '… he announced to the world the United States would make no distinction between the terrorists and the states that harbor them.' Thus the 'War on Terror' was born.

"The fraudulence of the 'War on Terror,' however, is clearly revealed in the pattern of subsequent facts:

* In Afghanistan the state was overthrown instead of apprehending the terrorist. Offers by the Taliban to surrender Osama bin Laden were ignored, and he remains at large to this day.

* In Iraq, when the United States invaded, there were no al Qaeda terrorists at all." [The article lists seven more points of proof.] It's too bad you can't--or won't--tell the difference between FACTS and mere opinions.

What would have been a justifiable response for attacking the people of Afghanistan? NONE, in view of the facts that 1.) Afghanistan did NOT attack us. 2.) The plans for invading Afghanistan and Iraq had already been made months before 9/11. http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/whycare.html "Why Care? Reasons why this matters"

Facts Rule! Mere Opinions--at best--Drool!

zeus: I hear what you're saying, I know what you're feeling, but no nation "needs" to go to war merely because the President has given himself permission to start wars whenever he feels like it. In accord with international law, there are only two legitimate reasons for taking part in war: 1.) Self-defence; and/or 2.) If authorized to do so by the United Nations Security Council.

Bushit's unjustifiable and illegal war he launched against Afghanistan and Iraq--the son of a bitch is now trying to start another unjustifiable war, against Iran--has never been a self-defence war. Nor was Our Glorius Leader given authority to attack and destroy two countries in the Middle East; nor was he given authority to engage in regime change. To see the wisdom of international law, all you need do is look at what has been done--and what continues to be done--to Afghanistan and Iraq as they become worse and worse.

It's also wise that no nation has the authority to be a global police force. "It's easy to see why. Such a principle would give powerful nations carte blanche to declare a 'humanitarian emergency' and impose their will on weaker countries." http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/13/2003/59 "This War Is Illegal"

"The Mega-Lie Called the 'War on Terror': A Masterpiece of Propaganda" http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63632/?page=entire "The fraudulence of the 'War on Terror' is clearly revealed by looking at the pattern of actions that preceded and followed its launch."

I think thats more probable too. Its more likely that the US government knew the attacks were going to happen and allowed them to go ahead as an excellent opportunity to go to war. But why must the reason to go to war always have to relate to our own casualties? We should go to war when we need to, not just because our own people have been attacked. Millions suffering in Africa, shame they're not sat on an oil field.

I agree with you, FIB...no argument here

Not much in favor of this war, but this guy deserves the honor.

blazius: No, I go with the FACTS; obviously, you are yet another who does not.

There are no leads of any kind stringing together the 9/11 attacks and Bushit's completely unjustifiable and illegal war he launched with lies against two countries that had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with 9/11. In other words: NO WMD. NO ties to al-Qaida. Saddam had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with 9/11. http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/whycare.html "Why Care? Reasons why this matters"

As for the Crawford Coward's phony "war on terror", he throws this at those citizens who start to lose the fear which he and his chickenhawk gang of war criminals having been stirring up since 9/11 [remember that smoking gun--in the form of a mushroom cloud?]; a frightened population are much easier to manipulate and control. http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63632/?page=entire "The Mega-Lie Called the 'War on Terror': A Masterpiece of Propaganda"

If a frightened population can be kept panicked enough, long enough, it's bye-bye democracy, hello fascism. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment "Fascist America, in 10 easy steps"

In regard to your Bush/Osama bin Laden question: The facts are that the Chickenhawk-in-Chief knew for many months that bin Laden was planning to fly hijacked planes into buildings on US soil, and he did NOTHING to prevent it from happening. Regardless of whether or not it was an inside job, Bushit bears a large part of the responsibility because he knew, and did nothing; as Harry Truman reminded us: The buck stops here [with the President].

FIB, you said, "[the War on Terror is a] completely unjustifiable and illegal war they launched with lies against two countries that had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with 9/11."

May I be so bold as to ask where do the connections lead from the "attacks" on 9/11? Do you believe the attacks were carried out by Islamic terrorists directly connected to Osama bin Laden? Or, do you believe 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by our own government?

Republifacist and zeus: To begin with, "grubbing" is not an insult; indeed, it is one of the things I do when faced with a large amount of lies all at once, I grub for the truth. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grubbing

As for the rest, it's no surprise at all that neither one of you has presented any FACTS that support any of your numerous empty claims.

Both of you continue to claim that FACTS and mere opinions are one and the same. They aren't. For example, you warmongers are of the opinion that unjustifiable and illegal wars are very fine things, regardless of the FACT that unjustifiable wars are ILLEGAL. You warmongers aren't bothered at all when civilians are murdered; according to more than one of your number, murdering civilians is not at all evil because the "terrorists" don't wear uniforms, so every "terrorist" killed is a civilian. I guess we're supposed to then assume that all civilians--men, women, boys, girls, toddlers, infants, babies--are terrorists, even though it doesn't work that way.

Unlike mere opinions, FACTS cannot be used as lies; this, basically, is what makes them FACTS. And they remain facts, no matter how tight you shut your eyes nor how deep you shove your fingers into your ears. This, by the way, is why I most definitely am not on the same low level as you warmongers. The truth doesn't budge, and neither do I.

In addition to your attempts to further cloud the issues, neither one of you made any attempt to answer the main part of my challenge: "Show me how Bushit's completely unjustifiable and illegal war launched with lies against two countries that had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with 9/11, can be honestly supported.

"Please do try to keep in mind that FACTS and mere opinions are NOT one and the same. R, if you also enjoy a challenge, let's see you tackle this one.

"Whatever your responses are, they will be quite fascinating." And, as is always usual, they are.

FIB, you are one and the same because you only go for the worst scenario 'facts' and won't consider anything else. There are lots of sites that have a dead count for Iraq, but you only choose the one with the highest figure. Is every other site wrong? Even the ones that are also anti war? You have your stance, you will not budge. Thats why you are as blinkered as those who only see one side of the 'justified war' argument. You won't answer the Israel question, because my 'opinion' is that you are anti Israel.

zeus and Republifacist: What's interesting is times like this, when you Republifascists yet again start the process of attempting to distract attention away from the subjects at hand, beginning with questions which have nothing to do with the subjects at hand. Then, if that doesn't start working right away, you behave as if you think that FACTS and mere opinions are one and the same, and you begin to talk about war, war crimes, and mass murder as if they are nothing more than mere opinions or mere beliefs.

You are correct about one item, R; you have never used any facts to support any of your empty claims. Instead, you do ONLY what you're yet again doing: Claiming that factual information is nothing more than mere opinions, and then failing to PROVE any of your additional empty claims.

z, you are yet again talking like FACTS and mere opinions are one and the same. They aren't. This sentence is especially lovely, "FIB, you're really no different to those who are adamant that the war is justified." How the Hell inhabited by Hitler, Nixon and Raygun did you arrive at that?

There is no such thing as facts that are customizable and can be used in any fashion "that suits them best". Mere opinions, however, can easily be shaped, enlarged, and made any color or set of colors and then used in any manner "that suits them best".

If I understand correctly, you enjoy a challenge: Show me how Bushit's completely unjustifiable and illegal war launched with lies against two countries that had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with 9/11, can be honestly supported.

Please do try to keep in mind that FACTS and mere opinions are NOT one and the same. R, if you also enjoy a challenge, let's see you tackle this one.

Whatever your responses are, they will be quite fascinating.

And while I'm thinking about it, R, your entry for 2008-07-24 00:26:58 EST also mentions me.

Matthew Croucher is yet another person who has become a victim of the war criminals Bushit and Blair.

George Cross for reservist who threw himself on grenade to save comrades

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/jul/24/military.afghanistan

So.... thats a longer no.

You paste 'facts' which you take as being gospel. I did ask why you don't take a selection of sites instead of the ones that publish the most extreme 'facts', so yes, I have tried to challenge you on your 'facts'. I've not said that you 'facts' are lies, I've merely challenged why you always go for THE worst scenario. FIB, you're really no different to those who are adamant that the war is justified. In fact, anyone who can only see one side and won't use the passion they were born with to discuss a topic and give a personal influence, rather than just paste links or refer to the one set of 'facts' that suits them best, is just as blinkered as those who think bombing Baghdad is a good idea!! Interesting that you won't answer the Israel question.

zeus: A growing number of Republicans find Bushit an embarrassing [place insult here], so that you consider the Crawford Coward an embarrassment doesn't really mean anything.

Your point is also invalid; I care nothing about mere opinions nor mere beliefs, I value FACTS; and because I value the truth, I usually include URLs that lead to truthful information to back up what I say with the facts. In other words, I write factual statements, not mere opinions. As for it being "repetitive", you warmongers constantly repeat the same lies over And over and over, so I repeat the facts which counter the numerous lies you repeat.

This leads to another fascinating item, when you and the other usual suspects say something that amounts to the same basic claim: Nobody visits any of the sites and pages you recommend. This is fascinating because, unless you do possess those mysterious RepubliVision powers, your claims are not based on anything factual. Which means that this basic claim means nothing at all.

I'm also not impressed by the claims made by you and the other usual suspects to the effect that: Your sites tell nothing but lies. Then, you always proceed to not PROVE anything you say; everytime I request such PROOF, you warmongers only respond with weak attempts at lame insults and/or quotes from Limbaugh, Coulter and the others who spew forth only mere opinions, never anything that would TRUTHFULLY support your numerous empty claims. Which means that this basic claim also means nothing at all.

So, until you can FACTUALLY support any of your empty claims, I'm not going to waste my time engaging in an exchange of mere opinions nor mere beliefs.